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Question about "free surface"

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:10 pm
by stage75
Hello,

Please how can I define the free surface in the Code_Saturne to take into account the interaction "water / air" at this surface (see photo attached).

it's possible to make this coupling at the free surface on the code saturne.

thank you very much for your idea
(don't forget to look at the image attached) ;)

Re: Question about "free surface"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:18 am
by Yvan Fournier
Hello,

If the free surface does not move (no waves), a symmetry boundary condition is enough. If it does move, you need to add ALE deformation, but you have de define mesh motion correctly in this case.

Regards,

Yvan

Re: Question about "free surface"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:49 pm
by stage75
Thanks Yvan,

If I apply the symmetry condition I'll get an interaction water / air?, I get drops of air in the bassin?

if yes, then this condition is enough for me ! for ALE, I do not know how to add it,
Yvan Fournier wrote:Hello,

If the free surface does not move (no waves), a symmetry boundary condition is enough. If it does move, you need to add ALE deformation, but you have de define mesh motion correctly in this case.

Regards,

Yvan

Re: Question about "free surface"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:29 pm
by Yvan Fournier
Hello,

No, if you apply symmetry, you get no interaction between water and air.

To get drops of water in the air domain would require another approach than continuum mechanics implemented in Code_Saturne, or at the minimum a multiphase approach with an appropriate model.

Regards,

Yvan

Re: Question about "free surface"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:07 am
by stage75
Thanks Yvan,

I think I have used the polyphasic approach (Euler-Lagrange) but I can't find any examples of this subject conducted by Code_Saturne.

What I have now is a coupling between two areas ( rotating and fixed areas) (Fig. above),but I don't know that they are subroutines to add to my SRC.1 to use the polyphasic approach!.

Please if you have an idea of ​​how to proceed, thank you for the past for me, and if there are examples in polyphasic on code saturne are welcome

Re: Question about "free surface"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:17 pm
by Yvan Fournier
Hello,

The only "polyphasic approaches" in Code_Saturne are the ones for combustion, which use specific models, so they won't help here (and in addition, I do not have examples that I could explain for those).

Regards,

Yvan

Re: Question about "free surface"

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:01 pm
by stage75
Yvan thank you,

So multiphase approach is not possible in my case!. For the ALE approach you have more details please.

Re: Question about "free surface"

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:02 pm
by guingo
Yvan Fournier wrote:The only "polyphasic approaches" in Code_Saturne are the ones for combustion
For the sake of completeness, let us mention the particle-tracking (Lagrangian) module of Code_Saturne to deal with polydisperse particulate turbulent flows

(of course, absolutely irrelevant when it comes to free-surface flows)

Re: Question about "free surface"

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:28 am
by stage75
Hello,

To obtain the deformation of surface, we will activate the "ALE" module in the subroutine "usalin.f90"

"iale = 1"

But I get no surface deformation